Mr.

Gutman? Mr.

Gutman? Mr.

Chief Justice, and may it please the Court.

I'd like to begin by picking up with the exchanges with Justice Barrett and Justice Gorsuch about licenses and license fees, because I think we ended on the right note, but I just wanted to make sure that at least my client's position is clear on this.

Licenses are different from license fees, and I am not aware of any history in the five decades that IEPA has been in force of of any fees charged for the licenses under this statute.

This is a statute that licenses can be used.

Well, I think the question is, what does or otherwise do –

counsel.

Mr. Gutman? Mr.

Chief Justice, and may it please the Court.

I'd like to begin by picking up with the exchanges with Justice Barrett and Justice Gorsuch about licenses and license fees, because I think we ended on the right note, but I just wanted to make sure that at least my client's position is clear on this.

Licenses are different from license fees, and I am not aware of any history in the five decades that IEPA has been in force of any fees charged for the licenses that under this statute.

This is a statute — licenses can be used.

For example, the President might ban certain transactions with a foreign country, but then grant licenses to do them for humanitarian reasons.

clear — I think the question is, what does or otherwise do?