You said he started as a pottery.

He's a potter by trade.

That's his thing, which is... part of why craft has always been so important to us.

He has an amazing just knowledge of the decorative arts, which is why he and I connected when I first started interning for him 20 odd years ago, because it's a huge passion of mine, too.

But yeah, it was really started from that and the decorative arts and creating things and making things.

He, to this day, still says, all I want to do is just make cool shit.

He wants to make beautiful things and he wants to go, you know, that's really what he's concerned about is making really lovely things.

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