What drew you to that sector and what's kept you there?

Well, thanks for having me.

I really appreciate you guys having me.

I think there's really three main reasons that drew me to the education sector and that made me stay.

The first is I just enjoy universities.

I enjoy kind of college campuses.

So I think being interested in universities and kind of how they operate is something that really did draw me initially to kind of working with universities in the cyber context.

So looking at educational leaders across the board, what do you think they most often underestimate about cyber risk?