What was, what was like the, obviously you're playing AFL and you were working, but when was, when did it become like,

oh, this is, this is the main thing.

Yeah.

Well, it was like, cause I had that dream originally before I went out of like streaming or like playing 2k and stuff.

Um, but then I was like playing waffle footy, which is like huge commitment, especially if you're working.

Um, so yeah, I was working as a teacher aid and then I was like, like something's got to change.

Like if I want to do, cause I was like, go wake up in the morning, five o'clock at a gym swim.

What was the first brand you worked with? Do you remember?

And Mary Gilmore?

She ended up going to South America and she, Anne Whitehead, and she married one of the colonists, Anne Whitehead, who wrote a wonderful book about the New Australian Experiment in the 1990s.

She wrote a follow-up that kind of followed Mary Gilmore and her blue stocking adventure in South America as well.

Because Argentina, sorry, had other colonies as well.

There's a Welsh, a famous Welsh colony in Patagonia with, you know, again, that has lingered as well.

So, you know, that same ideal of farming and hope was what led Mary Gilmore South.

And I think that...

And were there many Roddy Woods that you came across? I mean, were people speaking English? Did they look Australian like Roddy did?