Was there a time that you began to appreciate that this was perhaps a generous act and not just the way everyone else responds, that this was extraordinary?

You know, still to this day, I still feel the same way as I did.

I can't say that my mind has changed.

I think this is how everyone should really grow up.

Um, you know, uh, you know, knowing to do something like this, but I don't know.

I do for me, I appreciate, uh, you know, the people I do it with the people I do it for, but I can't say that my mind's been changed on how I, how I look at it.

So Ben, in terms of volunteering as a young person, is there anything you want to say about how the impact that that has for young people or what was good for you in that experience?

volunteering especially where we volunteered in vancouver and the more densely populated areas that have a little more you know drug exposure or um um really just not the greatest things that you want to see they taught me a lot that i know schooling didn't um tell me about the real world what i you know what could happen to people i know and um It kind of steered me away from a lot of things that, you know, school tries to make you realize, but it's nothing compared to actually seeing it in person.