Like, where did you get access or at least knowledge that these things existed? Because at that time when people were really kind of making stuff that were alternative to like big brand apparel, there wasn't like a real curation of, of fabrics or technology in the space.

Yeah.

Um, that really started like in fashion there's like no directory for these things.

Uh, and there's not usually one central source for information.

So I really just started asking around, visiting agents, showrooms.

Um, and the more fabric you see and touch and feel and test, the more you can learn.

Like, it's as simple as just trying as many things as possible and then narrowing it down.

Where do you see yourself fitting into that new kind of, like, crowd that you're in?