And I guess I start to think like, how do other parents manage? And like, how do they do things? How was that for you? Like having kids and like looking after kids? Because I know how hard it was for me and I can even begin to imagine.

It was scary because I've worked hard on myself, but this is someone else now.

Yeah.

And even things like, how do I change a nappy? And I don't want to be one of those dads where I've got my injuries, so I can't change a nappy, can't make the bottle, can't carry them, can't walk downstairs.

It was kind of like, Ben, you're going to have to do everything now and not let the kid miss out.

Do you know what I mean? And also not let Zara miss out.

I've got to step up.

I think my sort of like last question for you really mate is, and I guess to be honest, I'm asking this more for me, but like what, sort of drives you forward now? Like, how do you set goals for yourself now?

I guess for someone who's listening, who's stuck maybe in trauma, constant elevated stress levels, maybe struggling at this point, what would you say to them? Something maybe based on your own experiences that might help them?

Yeah, to anyone who's struggling out there, you know, those times will pass.

Like it will get better.

And it won't be easy.

You've got to put in the graft as well.

You can't just lie there and all of a sudden you're happy again.

At some point, you've got to go to work.

Before we finish off, is there something that people always want to know from you? Like what's your secret ingredient or a magic bullet that you use to kind of really overcome challenges and to build your resilience? What would you say?