Instead, no, we have a defense that is actually... springing leaks against good quarterbacks and we have a pass centric offense what does it mean for fantasy

I mean, and it was so fun to watch him because he's playing like he was his rookie year.

I was really into him after his rookie year.

He looked so good.

He looked like this new superstar, pocket passer.

The next generation is here.

And he's struggled a little bit over the last couple of years.

know,

I'm kind of curious just what you've been seeing from the Rams and if maybe there are any like sneaky angles we might be able to, uh, entertain for them this week.

I, I, I don't know.

I have a hard time with that, like with there being any additional stuff.

The Devonta Adams winds up with a pretty decent game, five catches, two touchdowns.

I mean, I think the two touchdowns were his first two catches and, and they were like later in the game or maybe he had one more.

I know he had two more catches on their final drive to force OT.

Um, and then I, I guess I don't know where his fifth catch came in, but he basically was uninvolved for three quarters.

Yeah

Yeah.

Having said that, Brown's value was not tied to rushing efficiency.

A big part of Brown's value was he's out here on all the pass downs as the team that throws a ton.

It's a team that throws a ton in close, in the red zone, uh, in the green zone as I like to call it, inside the 10 yard line, they still throw a ton.

Chase Brown had four green zone touches in this game to only two for Perine, even though Perine was their straight ahead runner.

They had him in there throwing to him.

Brown's routes of 61% in this game were right in line with his, his rest of season.

Yeah

What do you guys think of Warren in the second as well? Two picks after Loveland at 210.

And the concern about Kyler...

People were saying, like...

Somebody in the chat was like, has Kyler ever had a 2.5 yards per outrun receiver? Probably not.

He was good with Hopkins.

Or he was able to get Hopkins some numbers.

AJ Green after he was washed? Potentially.

the threshold because there's a lot of different definitions well

Like, how are you working through that element with the Vikings and Addison specifically? Yeah.

Well, Sean has been bearish on Kyler since he was in Arizona.

And Sean used to live in Arizona, and he kind of pulled for the Cardinals a little.

And he was high on Kyler, and he's just convinced Kyler's terrible.

And I'm not saying that he's biased.

Sean's one of the least biased analysts that I know.

But he's convinced that Kyler's horrendous.

I don't like Goddard, but I mean,

And I was like, "There's no reason for that to be." Sorry to interrupt, but that, like, that's just random.

No. Yeah, yeah.

It's so...

It's crazy.

Even if you're on the Jets, five rushing TDs? And so the other part of that that's crazy is the last-- the other thing that kinda shocked me is the last three years, which is, uh, his whole healthy career.

His rookie season, he was off to a really good start, and then he tore his ACL in, like, I think after seven games.

And then year two, year three, and year four, he's had over 1,350 yards from scrimmage every year in this Jets offense, and I guess I wouldn't have guessed that.

No.

Yeah.

Jameson Williams has run over 600 routes, or he did last year.

That was the first season.

Everyone's really caught up on the Laportas with and without splits.

This is the-- But my point about the, the year three only running about 475 routes is to emphasize how big the jump in routes was last year, and it was a s- a career low in targets per route that I don't think is gonna stick.

That, they did forget about him in the first half.

I think they were gonna get him more involved in the second half regardless.

[laughs]

He feels like a player who could take on a very high number of targets in, on this Indianapolis team.

Yeah, I, I mean, I think early in the off-season, people were overvaluing the contract with Alec Pierce.

I talked about it when I talked about Tate, but I think some of these vertical threats are getting more, um, investment from teams, both in the way of contract and then in, in the way of, uh, f- f- for Tate, I was saying it in the way of obviously draft capital, um, because of their role to a scheme.

I think if you are the Colts, it makes perfect sense when you have to make a decision between Michael Pittman and Alec Pierce to let Pittman go and to keep Pierce because Pierce is doing something that you can't replace.

But with Pittman out of the picture, you have Tyler Warren, you have Josh Downs, you have guys that can replace his 8.5 ADOT or whatever it was last year, below average for a wide receiver.

Alec Pierce's ADOT last year was over 20.

I mean, we're talking about a massive, massive figure.

But Warren was very good last year, and theoretically, a lot of those Kenneth Gainwell looks should go his way.

Yeah

... comes to mind.

Late in his fir- rookie year, he has a great end of the season, and he breaks out the next year.

But it's young guys getting early opportunity.

Parker Washington didn't necessarily have that path as a 21-year-old rookie that was a sixth rounder, um, y- you know, in 2023.

And then in 2024, he ha- does have some stretches of decent production.

And then last year in 2025, we get that, like, multiple year breakout.

Right.

I read his big, like big gorilla targets piece, but I missed the injury one.

So he called it a best ball guide or something, but I laughed at it when I was texting him.

I was like, you couched your entire injury research under a headline about best ball.

But the whole article ends up being about injury and work that he's been trying to do with – fable to to research injuries and um it's a really fascinating piece there's some really fascinating uh conclusions that he draws one of them is that guys who had injuries the prior season um are more likely to get hurt again the next year obviously uh and then one of the things that wide receiver specifically as i was reading through it it really hits the ridley thing it's like this this combination of age plus prior injury starts to become a real problem And so that makes Ridley a real, a real risk.

And I, and I think that's fair, but when you're taking him in the 18th round, I mean, I think, um, he's going to be out there and three wide receiver sets with Wanda Robinson and, and Colonel Tate.

I don't think AO manner or, um, DK were particularly good as rookies.

They both had 1.02 matching 1.02 yards per out run.

Where are you at right now on how you want to play the Jags wide receivers slash defensive backs?

This isn't like the Bills doing the slow fade with Keon Coleman and being like, "We're done with you." They were like, "We're gonna fucking make this happen with Golden." So how do you feel about that, Gretch, coupled with what he did last year?

Yeah, that's, that's exactly what I'm seeing.

His best game of the year was in the, um, in the playoff game, and they had some really bullish quotes on that early in the off-season.

He actually looked genuinely good late last year.

His yards per target wound up strong.

I always break up, you know, yards per out, run to targets per out ver- and yards per target.

The two major concerns are he didn't run a lot of routes for a first round receiver, which Corrine was just talking about.

Anyway.

So I'm curious, why is this something you're so passionate about, uh, and how can this help us in 2026?

Yeah, I just...

I, I think it's a really fun topic.

I mean, the, the first section of that article that you referenced, Why You Should Care More About Running Back Air Yards, is, uh, like my little subsection header was it's difficult to classify in research.

I think one of the big reasons that it goes under the radar is a lot of running backs have an ADOT around zero.

Now, first of all, as we start talking about air yards and ADOT, like, there's gonna be different sources.

I, I tend to use the PFF, uh, numbers, so that's what you're gonna hear from me more.

Yeah

But the age concerns and potentially us being low on the team touchdowns that are sneaks, um, could maybe mean our rank is a little high at the moment.

Uh, it feels like a, a, I completely agree.

It feels like a big if, right? Like it feels like a little bit of a concern.

It, it feels like another one of these small hit, big miss profiles to me.

I completely agree with everything you said, and then that, I was just...

Sorry to cut you off there, but I was gonna chime in.

That was exactly what stood out to me too was that I actually am probably light on you guys even though I have slightly more, [chuckles] uh, rush attempts because when I went through it, I had all the same concerns that Jack just laid out.

So it's not really a knock on him as a player, it's just that given the fact that we have DeVonta Smith as the clear wide receiver one, and even with a fairly optimistic lemon projection which I think is completely deserving given the caliber of player that he is we still come in just way low um so I'm not totally sure how to handle that and kind of want to hear Gretch's take since he sounds really high on him as a as a player

Do you think that given, you know, given the acquisition and what they're paying Moore, do you think he, he is gonna be kinda, like, the bona fide wide receiver one and get that 80-plus percent route share that, that we'd like to see here?

I do have a lot of optimism about that part of the Moore discussion.

The fact that they traded a, a two for him, the fact that the conversation at the end of last season was about the lack of wide receivers and getting Jo- Josh Allen.

One of the things right after they traded for him, they guaranteed some 2028 money, like three years down the road, that they reportedly, like, didn't need to do.

It was like it wasn't really an extension.

They were basically just like, "We want you to know that we think you're gonna be good through your age 31 season so that, I don't know, you'll try harder?" [chuckles] It was kind of a weird, like, team-building move to just, like, guarantee him a third season.

But I think they're...

Um, and so it is reassuring to see Gretch kind of in the same vicinity as us target-wise.

Mm-hmm.

But Corum last year only ran 116 routes, and his yards per route run was 0.31, which i- is really poor.

I don't expect people to know the, the, the scales or anything [laughs] but certainly not, um, an efficient receiver in the limited work that he got, whereas Kyren ran more than three times as many routes.

He had 350 routes and was meaningfully more efficient, and they like him as a pass blocker, and he's sort of the veteran and those things.

If they start talking a ton and it's just, like, this heavy drumbeat that Blake Corum's gonna play more on passing downs, maybe I'll be more concerned about the split for Kyren.

But I do think Kyren is meaningfully more valuable for fantasy 'cause the receiving stuff's pretty important, and he seems to really have that.

And, and I, I guess I don't see any kind of conversation in August that's gonna convince me that, you know, after Blake Corum had a really poor year on a very limited [laughs] receiving role, he's gonna suddenly have a ton more work.

[laughs]

I'm curious if you're, if you're excited about Casey Concepcion and his, his profile at all or, or, um, you know, a little bit disappointed in the landing spot and, and looking more towards, you know, kind of like a dynasty pick more so than a, a redraft pick for this year.

Well, he has a lot going for him.

I mean, he's an early declare, turns 22 in September, so super young.

Uh, really good evasion rates, ball in hand stuff.

He went to two different colleges.

They both used him on rushes a good amount.

They, they had him out there on punt returns last year, which we've seen over the years.

So-

I'm curious if you're, if you're excited about Casey Concepcion and his, his profile at all or, or, um, you know, a little bit disappointed in the landing spot and, and looking more towards, you know, kind of like a dynasty pick more so than a, a redraft pick for this year.

Well, he has a lot going for him.

I mean, he's an early declare, turns 22 in September, so super young.

Uh, really good evasion rates, ball in hand stuff.

He went to two different colleges.

They both used him on rushes a good amount.

They, they had him out there on punt returns last year, which we've seen over the years.

He's-

Where, where do you see just kinda like the fantasy value and, and where you wanna invest, uh, any, any capital if, if at all, uh, this offseason in, in this backfield?

Yeah, my concern with him would've been that I think being a workhorse is a skill, and we haven't gotten a chance to see that.

That doesn't necessarily mean...

I mean, he's behind Jeremiah Love, who we're gonna talk about with Arizona as, you know, just this uber prospect.

And so it's not like, like people are like, "I don't wanna knock that," but at the same time you can't give him credit for something that's not there.

We don't know about whether he can maintain a, a big workload and, and I do believe that being a workload is a skill, being able to handle a lot of the work.

I mean, a good, another good example when we go to Arizona is Trey Benson.

So curious your thoughts there on, on that gap between them two this year.

But did you have something you wanted to throw in here, Gretch?

Gretch?Well, w- y- we're talking about this different stuff about how there's, there's different multi tight end sets, and I think Jacob did a great job of bringing up the Chargers, which, it, I mean, talk about Aronda Gadsden, you're talking about, you know, David Njoku, even at this point in his career.

And, um, [clears throat] the, the, the, the concern there, so the way that I think about the, some of the aggregate data and why I was kinda saying, okay, like, people emphasize maybe too much the two wide receiver efficiency versus three receiver efficiency in the aggregate is because, like, again, I was saying, like, this should, this, we should expect there to be a gap.

The reason we should expect there to be the gap when, when Jacob was talking about, like, Rashid Shaheed as the, the, the Seahawks third receiver versus whoever the additional tight end they put on, I, I think about it in terms of there are five eligible receivers on a, on a, on a, on a given play.

Five eligible players, not wide receivers, but r- you know, potential receiving weapons.

If it's, if the fifth player is an additional receiver or a placement level receiver, his only job is to be a wide receiver.

Those guys are still decent enough, you know, target earners or, or route runners or what have you.

But I'm, I'm pretty optimistic.

Yes.

A.J. Brown was a- another one of those guys like Justin Jefferson, 2.5 plus yards per route every season of his career.

This is the PFF definition of yards per route, which a lot of people use Fancy Points.

They, they have a little bit more of a restrictive, uh, type of route, which, which, um, increases the scale for any per route run stat, because you're talking about the denominator.

P- I'm using the PFF numbers, which is gonna lower it.

So 2.5 yards per route run in PFF is really strong.

Just, just b- just to clarify.

[laughs]

And it's like, well, the league's not going to let you keep doing that.

That's true.

And that's a I mean, that's a great point.

I so I'm I that and that's where the to an extent.

Yeah, thing is, because do you like that's that was where my question was with Sam Donald all the way through him winning the Super Bowl.

This guy led the league in giveaways this year and people want to crown him.

And he led the league in giveaways on a team that was constantly playing from ahead and still had a massive negative P.R.O.E.

Is this depth at tight end, you think, here to stay for the next three to five years, or is it a mirage again?

And especially after the year that we just saw, I think that's definitely prevalent.

Yeah, I haven't dug into average coaching age and past years in those things, but it is a clear trend this offseason if you follow this stuff that a lot of the hires are younger.

I think that's a response to Ben Johnson, Liam Cohen.

I think Kellen Moore deserves to be in that conversation.

Obviously, Mike McDonald.

in year two goes out and wins the super bowl those four coaches the oldest one is liam cohen just turned 40 so you have a ton of under 40 coaches sean mcveigh famously was like the youngest head coach when he was hired at 31 or whatever it is he's like 10 years in now um but there were multiple more head coaching hires that were under 40 this year joe brady getting the bill's job at 36 um Clint Kubiak getting the Raiders job.

We had Matt LaFleur is under 40, got the Cardinals job.

And look at like

It was, for me, nice to see him show some oomph again.

Yeah, I mean, he always seems to surprise me.

Pollard's an interesting one because I, at a couple different points in time, have felt like he wasn't the player that he's cracked out to be or that he's paid as.

I've wanted to see more Tajay Spears at times because I've thought he's had some juice, but he's had a hard time staying healthy as well.

Come to talk about young backups that struggle to stay on the field, but he's done some interesting things.

But whenever you start to think that about Pollard, he does seem to – to start stringing together some big plays.

And he did look really, really good down the stretch, starting in that Cleveland game where he had a couple long touchdowns.

Brown at the end of 2025 as we did at the beginning.