And is it possible? that the Constitution in our government was even more flawed than Trump and that Trump is just taking it apart because there was nothing there to hold it together.

Well, no, I don't think that's right.

I mean, I think that in many ways that one of the things we've seen.

He's doing it right in front of our eyes, though, Ben.

Right.

But I think one of the things we've seen, I mean, he's certainly pushing the norms.

He's certainly changing the things that we've accepted as norms.

Sure.