Different uniform.

Very different uniform, yeah.

Um, and I don't know to this day how I got a job at, at, at EY or Ernst & Young as it was called back then.

Um, that was in the early 2000s, and I had finished my business degree, uh, whilst I was serving and, uh, particularly, uh, had a strong suit in human resources and org psych and got into that game.

So started in accounting and spent the best part of 10 years across EY and BDO.

So c- uh, BDO was, uh, was the fifth-largest firm in the world, and EY was in the Big Four, as you know.

And, uh, I took a detour after that into some sort of, uh, commercial, uh, C-suite roles and came back to become CEO of a boutique property law firm here in Brisbane in 2015.

Do you think that's challenging as they grow in scale?