And what do you see in the clique when men kind of come in and what they're dealing with? I imagine there's a lot of like, you know, the very normal performance stuff that men come in with, right? I guess I'm wondering, that's the kind of the shop window they come with, right? I guess what's actually often going on for men under the hood?

Yeah, so I probably see a certain section of men because I'm a sex therapist and a doctor.

So you don't come to me.

If you're just wanting to take anabolic steroids or take high-dose testosterone and you're defended against anything else, you're not going to come and see someone like me.

So I see a certain subgroup of men and I kind of recognize that.

And I kind of respect medical defenses as well.

Like someone who is not ready to engage in a medical process, in a psychological process, and wants a medical answer, like there's a reason for that defense.

What can he kind of start to do himself, maybe with a partner in his own life to start to shave off some of that sexual shame that he's experiencing?