I'm interested in just understanding more about the thinking around that.

Yeah, so I think like, I mean, data, when you look at it realistically, like data drives almost most decisions that we make in our lives you know whether you're setting up a business and you're looking at your business model or you're buying your groceries or you're going out shopping it's like there's the underlying thing about data and you know it is like the golden source of truth like where everything comes from and so I've applied that sort of thinking into the engineering world and when I look at my career how I've approached my designs like Yes, we need to build compliant designs to the technical standards.

That's the biggest challenge.

In linear infrastructure, and that's my specialty.

I'm not a structural.

I'm not building structures.

The roads are infinite.

And