But for Ben, he just enjoyed getting to meet new people.

We would meet every Tuesday night and have this young adult small group.

And one of those days, like six months before I moved on from there, this lady came in.

Her name was Kwanesha.

She had just came in from Virginia, and she was starting at the seminary.

And so she was about two years younger than me.

And I got to meet her and got to know her.

And I used that as a segue to just talk about racism.