On the rotary wing side, CAL FIRE helicopter program manager, Chief Ben Berman, explains the agency's transition from the Huey to the larger and more capable CAL Firehawk.

There's definitely a demand signal for an aviation f- uh, fleet of this size and, and expanding.

I think we've gone through unprecedented change on the rotary wing side, going from a type two, we call it, which is the Huey, to a type one, which is the CAL Firehawk.

Multi-engine, multi-system, lots of redundancy, twice as heavy, twice as large helicopter.

We are definitely seeing more of a challenge, uh, but, uh, I, I know that CAL FIRE and our interagency partners, we're definitely stepping up to that challenge.

95% at 10 acres, you know, those don't typically make the headlines, and that, uh, that's something that, uh, is being done in the background.

Yeah, yeah.

And so I was like, $2,500 an hour, man, that's like, that's insane.

And he said, yeah, here's how it works.

You know, we'll meet twice a month for two hours at a time, so four hours a month.

He's like, in between those times, if you need anything, you just call me, you email me.

He's like, I'll reach out, you know, we'll talk.

He's like, that's part of it.

How does a founder actually achieve that?

When this guy trained you or coached you on something, did you run back and tell your team like an excited, you know-

Oh, no, I was, like, the biggest skeptic.

I'd be...

I mean, this guy would tell me something, and I'd be like, "He doesn't know what the hell he's talking about," you know? And then I would go, you know, try to clear my head.

I'd hike a mountain, and I'd be like, "Ah, you know, what the, what am I paying this guy for?" You know? And then it's like, well, if you don't like his advice, stop paying...

stop going, stop going back to him, you know? Either use the advice or, or stop going back to him.

And I'm like, "I should probably try to implement the advice," you know? And so I'd, like, slowly kind of roll it out.

So now if you hired a new manager or needed a new manager, you just throw them the, the docu- the manual.