Well, as you know, in business, it can be boom and bust and it can be pretty tough times and you've got to steer your way through that.

Yeah, look, and, you know, given we're in NAIDOC week now, you know, I really want to explain this.

Our intention has always been if we can bring other people along, the First Nations people along with us, then that's what we want to do.

You know, my wife's got family on the Tiwi Islands.

I've got family who raised, you know, all in Darwin as well, and close friends that I'd really love to help.

And people are coming to me all the time asking how I can help them

What do you think the current issues are with Aboriginal lands, especially with the permit system? Is it a good thing or is it a bad thing?

I think if traditional owners have got the control that they need, but also have the ability to be able to have some sort of compliance around it.