And if people break these rules, who will hold them accountable? Some countries don't see themselves as being amenable to UN law.

Well, that's a big problem right now.

I mean, it would be a part of a series of treaties that regulates conventional weapons.

So we ban blinding lasers, we ban explosive remnants of war.

We've had all of these instruments that have banned certain types of weapons.

So we just want to add autonomous weapons, AI weapons, to this body of weapons that have regulations.

And of course, when a country joins that kind of treaty, they will put it into their own national legislation.

With private companies, you believe that the more governments sign up for this, the more conditional they can make market access in their countries, the greater their power of persuasion against these large companies who produce this kind of AI?

How, how real is that?

I think it's happening right now.

And of course, and first, before we start, like, I am not an AI expert, right? So the, the technology side and exactly all the technical details and how to integrate these kind of things in weapons, that, that's not my expertise.

Um, but what we've seen in the last few years is, of course, this kind of sliding scale, right? The, the kind of idea of Terminator robots that we've all seen in movies, that's on, on the extreme end.

And then, of course, using AI as intelligence, for example, is, is on, on, on the other side.

So I think there's such a wide range of how AI can be used in warfare, and what we're trying to do is really to draw a line somewhere along this.

The fact that AI will be used in war in some capacity, that's already happening.

Is that genuine concern or them building hype for an IPO? Which do you think it is?

That's not something...

No, exactly.

But it's actually really...

It's a really important part, right? Because there could have been 190 countries with nuclear weapons.

And it isn't.

And a lot of countries do these things.

And even China, the US, Russia, and whatever the issues you talk about then, once they agree to something, they usually follow it.

How much of an escalation do you think is happening here? How fast is this tech moving?