But did you get emotional, Julian, or did it make you happy?

It made me happy, and I sat next to Mark when we watched it, and I know he got touched in a few moments, and that made me happy.

What I was happiest about, mate, was that the story does him justice, the program does him justice, and I think the Cometti family will be really happy because ultimately it was their sacrifice.

They gave up their husband and dad.

Yep.

every weekend for years and years on end so that the rest of us could share that great gift.

We forget about that.

It's like, are you really? Are you really? Or are you just trying to dine out on the success?

This is a disappointing result for you and for the Liberals.

Well, it's always disappointing when you see your share of the primary vote drop, and we absolutely accept we can do better, we need to do better, and we continue to look for ways to resonate with those outer metropolitan communities in Perth.

But I do have to say, this is a seat that has never been held by the Liberal Party.

It is a seat that is not or previously was not a strong Labor seat, but a very strong Labor seat.

And they lost it off the back of a 22% swing away from them.

So we were realistic going into this contest.

And I am on the record as having said, the ultimate victory for us would have been for our candidate to join us in Parliament next week.

There is a lot of conservative voters there.

What do you think?

Well, I would agree it's good to have students engaged in the political process.

I hope they are aware of what's going on and I hope they would use the right time and the right forums to argue and advocate passionately for what they're for and what they're against.

But I do agree with the Federal Education Minister, Jason Clare, in school hours they should be at school.

And I'd also hope that if they felt strongly enough or had educated themselves about the Prime Minister's capital gains tax changes, perhaps the inheritance duty that's being hit on their parents and grandparents, and maybe the changes to negative gearing, they'd also go out and protest about that.

Or perhaps even the Prime Minister's comments about the Japanese Prime Minister, the melons, et cetera, because that could be really damaging to Australia as well.

Yeah, Basil, does it feel like we don't know enough about this? Could they be kids mucking around with a drone? Do we know how far they went onto bases? Could they have just gone over a fence and then that's classed as a breach? What do you think?

Well, I think that's the first thing that we should stop and consider.

Australian television and radio broadcasting star Basil Zempilas was in his mid-20s back then, and he was a Claremont regular.

It was a hotbed of activity, if you like, and, and for a certain group of youngsters, that was their place.

They weren't going into Northbridge, they weren't going into Fremantle, they were going into Claremont.

It was just where they hung out.

So Basil, was it a safe place to be?

Look, safety never really came into it because there'd never been anything like this.

It was just the place, and in fact, not a lot of thought went into safety until these terrible events.

So it does shine a light potentially on what's going inside the, the four walls of your party, Basil.

Yeah, look, I, I accept that, um, some will characterize this in a certain way.

I mean, I, I, I choose to look at it slightly differently.

Um, there was a member of the team that wanted to go in a different policy direction, and ultimately I, as leader, had to explain to that individual that that's not something that this team is going to be a party to.

And so being quite strong and, and being the leader that you need to be in this position and, um, explaining that that won't be a direction that we're going to go in, ultimately, they are the calls that you have to make.

The other thing I'd say about that, Jamie, I've always considered in the lower house, for example, there, there were seven Libs and six Nats.

I've always considered us a team of 13.

Is this an isolated situation?

So you think that this shows that this event is a failure? It hasn't been the draw that the state government had hoped for?

I mean, I hope it's a great success.

I hope there's lots of people there on the various nights that it is played.

I hope lots of West Australians go along and get to see these great Italian soccer clubs play.

That part is never in dispute.

I like the events, but they need to be able to stand on their own two feet.

And the government needs to be able to justify them as successful exercises by telling us how much they cost and on their key metric, which is not so much attendance, but a big part of it is how many out of market visitors come to Perth for the event.

Would have you been comfortable with it if it was announced as part of the package and tied the ribbon on the whole thing from the start? Well, if that's the case,

Basil, what do you make of Pauline's call to end multiculturalism in this country?

It sort of takes a little bit of interpretation, doesn't it? You really have to sort of analyse exactly what she said.

I think on face value, actually, multicultural is what we have called Australia, but her description, multiracial, also fits.

Multiracial is people from lots of different parts of the world living in Australia.

I think we get that and accept that.

We can say, yes, that can fit.

So when she talks about monocultural, I think what she's talking about is wanting everybody who comes from other countries to adopt the values, practices, philosophy, traditions of this country.

Basil, this could really be expensive for small businesses.

What did you make of those comments?

I'll just add that I'm at an event also in Perth that Tim Wilson, the Shadow Treasurer, is speaking at right now.

So, yes, there are a lot of big names in Perth at the moment, that's for sure.

Look, Angus has spoken very well.

His leadership has been outstanding.

He is fighting on all of the issues and fronts.

that have Australians frustrated.

Are you planning on seeing or have you already seen Pauline while she's in your neck of the woods?

Is One Nation your biggest threat?

No, I don't see One Nation as a threat.

I see One Nation and the rise of One Nation as an opportunity.

Bear in mind, of course, that in Western Australian politics, the Labor government holds 59 seats.

They've got a...

Sorry, they hold a big chunk of them.

It was nearly 59 at one point.

But can the state coffers afford your plan, $850 million for Yanchip and Joondalup?