It's so interesting that you said that

... that special place that is between worlds, that's neither one or the other, and it makes people, it, it kind of confronts them with this existential question of what it is to be alive.

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In France, hello.

I, I was living here in New York, and, um, and I had, was, I'd met Julie Taymor and had met some puppeteers and was kind of doing my thing a little bit, and I had, I had started going to college, but I left it behind.