Just tell us a little bit of journey, how the Netherlands has approached and started on the journey with digital credentials.

Well, first of all, we are innovative.

We like to do things better every day.

And that's why We participated in the Working Group 10 and later on also the Working Group 4, just to be on board.

The RDW, a part of the Ministry of Transport, was instituted 40, no, a bit more than that, more than 40 years ago in the 50s.

And since 40 years, it's a separate body in the Netherlands.

20 years ago, we started with a polycarbonate driver's license instead of the paper one.

What do you think are the key benefits of taking a standards approach to developing these digital documents?