I can't even count.

I never got it that people don't do it.

You got Dakota Dechavie.

Did you see her? The girl? She's freaking hunting for livers.

And she's so good with her knees.

Like you see a lot of these guys, they just lift their legs like they're doing training.

And I go, no.

The evolution of mixed martial arts, how do you think yourself, Kevin Randleman, Maurice, Frank, Ken Shamrock, how do you think them in their prime, how do you think that they would be performing in the current MMA scene? Yeah, I would say that if they...

From when your eyes open until you start your day.

Okay.

So for me, when I see light, I got to get out.

So if it's 4.30, unfortunately, I'm going to have to get up at 4.30 because I can't sleep anymore.

But there's always work to do, so I do.

I go out.

Then I let the dogs out.

Yeah.

[laughs]

Like you see him go into the ring, "'Cause I'm the king." And I, I, I, I never thought that because I think it's a dangerous thing to do, uh, having pride during fighting, thinking you got it in the bag, because that makes you train less hard as well, and you make stupid, unnecessary mistakes, risks.

But yeah, I had the same thing.

Once I started walking, I was really amped for it.

But I would, I, I wouldn't...

It was, it was an excitement.

That's what it was.

Yeah.

So what would you say is the difference between these two people, like, if you took two clones? What would break someone between the gym versus walking out into a, into the cage?

I think, uh, what I believe, personally, is, like a lot of fighters, they don't really wanna fight, but they think it's cool, uh, because then they can say, "I'm a cage fighter." I go, "You're not a cage fighter.

You're a mixed martial artist.

Don't say that word cage.

It's such a stupid thing to say.

Say you're a mixed martial artist." I heard a pro say that one time.

This lady, I said, "What do you do?" "I'm a cage fighter." I go, oh my God, he just lost some points with me.

... because it's love, yeah.

You were known for the liver shot, right?

Yeah.

Body shots.

It was, uh, my first Thai boxing class.

I thought I was a badass karateka.

And then somebody dropped me [laughs] and he figured me out really fast.

Because in karate, if you had, there was no strikes to the head.

Wow.

Yeah.

... then you don't.

You know what it looks like, but you don't understand the mechanics.

That's the thing with me when I started to...

Because I taught myself and I said, "Oh, wait a minute.

You do this to me, I'm out.

Okay, how can I stop that?" Because there's gotta be other guys like me, right? I mean, I cannot be so stupid to think that I'm the only one.

Wow.

Yeah, maybe at the very end.

But you see, but once they do something really bad, like for instance, I was at a party for my father-in-law.

And he had this big truck company that would drive buses to Spain for a really good deal, like gigantic.

I mean, 150 buses a week.

I mean, gigantic.

And he had the big party.

And I was there with my ex-wife at the time.

But in 60 seconds, what's happening in your world right

So, how did you know that fundamental to success in combat was gonna be the maintenance of a state of relaxation? How did you know that?

I, I just knew, you know.

In, in panic you make all the mistakes.

Emotions cloud e- everything.

All...

You look at the world right now, everything's emotional, you know, and that's why people are reacting in total anger.

So I knew, like, Fudoshin, that means an unstoppable mind in Japan.

Um, and so how do you focus on entrepreneurialism, success, and business in a bewildering environment, and psh- most importantly, my initial question, do you think that the culture creates a sort of bewilderment in order to succeed and direct people towards false idolatry?

This.

Oh, that's the Ripper Thief, I think.

Let me see.

Yeah, I think it's derivative.

I'm playing a bad guy, a meth dealer here.

Oh, okay.

With Paul Johansson.

Well,