When did you undertake that process though? Was it like five years into your firm practice, 10 years into your firm practice?

Well, I'm weird.

I did it, so...

You can't apply until you've been a licensed architect for 10 years.

So I applied at the 10-year mark.

So I got it in 2019, and I was 40.

That's extremely unusual.

you a proponent for AI in your workflow?