What did that partnership look like?

Yeah, it was, you know, we were both really young, didn't know any better.

We, like Jason said, we were taking classes.

We were considering going on to get degrees.

And we spoke to our mentor, Dave Phobes, and he said, you know, you guys are clever enough and brave enough to just start a business.

And So we did.

We listened to him and we just went for it.

Are there certain A couple of common examples that you guys see where maybe they're cutting corners.

But, um, Barbara, what made you guys like, what was the decision to do the rebuild out with starlight a few years ago? How did that go?

So that was done, the new owner, Arsalan, who most people know with Consortium Holdings, owns so many properties in San Diego and is really pushing San Diego into a really design-centric space since he's created so many well-designed and well-thought-through spaces.

When Matt passed away and Starlight went on the market, he knew that he had to buy it so that it didn't get ruined and closed by someone.

It was very influential in his decision to stay in San Diego, the original design, just seeing something like that and understanding like, okay, cool.

Like, interesting projects can survive here and there is a market for it.

And so when he bought it, he knew he had to bring us back in and work with him to re-envision it.

And is that does that ever get like when you're designing for a restaurant, like putting your taste versus what the client wants? And like, can you kind of, Barbara, talk to me about how that conversation goes when you sort of meet with a restaurateur? And like, what's that process like trying to find out pulling that information out of him or him or her?

Yeah.