Was it difficult coming from, you know, leaving boarding school at 16 and going into that? And, um, did you ever kind of doubt yourself as to whether you would finish it or not?

I certainly did, and it was very difficult.

It was more like an apprenticeship.

And at the end of three years you, you, uh, got a certificate to be a general nurse, or in those days they used to call people sisters after they'd graduated.

But it was hard work on the wards, very manual.

Um, obviously, um, stressful.

Uh, we worked mainly on the wards at, um, with three or four blocks of two weeks each of studies in, in the lecture room, and then practical experience on the ward with supervisors.

One of the things I think it's important to know, and it's important for us to share, is who are the old people that kind of set these foundations for us? Like, in your family, like, what are their names and, and where they're from, and, and those types of things.