has been how has that helped you enjoy law? How has it helped you be successful in law? What advice would you give to younger lawyers thinking about whether they should get involved?

I would say Bar Association work is really wonderful for your career.

You can't find a better network for, especially as lawyers, as we've all become specialized, you can't find a better network.

So you've got all these wonderful people, really smart in their areas of practice, but they're not your area of practice.

So when they need a family law practitioner, they call me.

I get calls all the time.

for referrals, whether it's for me or for others in Ohio, or I have someone that emailed me yesterday who needs a estate planning lawyer in North Carolina or in South Carolina.

But they all kind of go together.