Yes.

And I also went to grad school in New York City.

I don't remember specifically when I moved here.

I mean, my, my intention when I went to...

I went to SVA, which is a great art school in New York City, but it is also...

It's, it's, it's...

Obviously, it's got a fine arts component to it, but it really has this huge sort of history and emphasis on illustration and graphic design.

Yeah, and I guess from one day to another, you are also a rockstar, right?

Um, uh, so what was that like, and what happened in the intervening years to now?

I mean, just, just it, it...

I ha- I have my, my nephew who I love to death, and is in his 20s, and he works as a chef at a, a really great restaurant in the West Village, you know, and lives out in Brooklyn.

And talking to him and comparing notes to his experience, you know, being a young creative who is, you know, doing something ambitious and living out in Brooklyn and commuting into the city for his, his job because that's the creative core of what he cares about, right? It maps over like the Venn diagram of his experience and my experience.

You know, it, it's pretty close to a perfect circle, right? Except when it comes to, well, how does this in, in, in capital letters work? Like, like I could...

When I was his age, in a similar set of si- similar situation, I was able to do an art handling job or tattoo or whatever, like a fairly low impact kind of occupation for enough money that it would allow me to have a studio space and like, you know, also a social life and go out and see shows.

And now his experience is just work all the fucking time and then go-

Um...