Could you kind of talk about like, what was it like embracing Tiki when you finally made that full jump to kind of figuring out what it was? And then what was it like when you started meeting other people in the scene and being able to figuring out there really was a scene?

Yeah, one of the first person, one of the first people I met was at a show, a Leetech show, a Leetech velvet art show that was in Huntington Beach Art Center that my friend Greg Escalante was putting on.

And, excuse me, first person I met was just this guy.

Like he had a bone in his beard and he had a hair up, tied up on his head.

And he had some girl with his giant boobs with them.

And, and, uh, lo and behold, it was crazy out.

So crazy.

yeah,