How do the two groups differ?

Yes.

See, when pain is from an actual injury, like sports injury or a car accident, the treatment is relatively easy, [laughs] meaning, first of all, time heals most things, from fractures to torn muscles.

That's a wonderful thing.

And physiotherapy helps, you know, maintain the mobility of the patient as they, as they recover, strengthen them as they recover so they get back to their sports, or being able to lift their child, or be able to walk to the grocery store again, to get them back to function.

So that's when it's pain from an injury.

But too often, people don't have an injury and they experience pain.

Any thoughts on some of those approaches?

Where do you feel like in this area clinicians go wrong a lot of times? I mean we talked about a lot of stuff already but maybe in concrete when it comes to low back pain.

Okay, let's start with when somebody hurts their back.

The first thing they do is usually they, before going, usually they Google, but let's skip the Google part, which is harmful.

The first thing is Googling.

Stop Googling.

The next thing they do is see their family doctor.

And the family doctor typically, I'm not painting all family doctors the same, does two things.

How do you deal with that? How do you explain that to a patient?