And I'd like Babs to, um, say it right so that together we're correct.

[laughs] Well, no, I mean, it-- everything he said.

And you're look- you gotta know the role you're looking for.

So, like, if I match it to the theater model, um, there, in the theater production, there are different roles.

I mean, and that's front stage and backstage, but let's just talk about front stage roles.

You've got different roles you're trying to fill, and then they have to match up with the other people on the front stage.

Plus, they have to be, you know, supportable and all the things that happen between backstage and front stage, right, Jeff?

That is good.

Uh, I talked to my main doctor today, and I told him about this about 30 days ago, and he says, "You know, I've been using that time system that when I get up in the morning, you know, I've got 16 hours ahead of me, and I, I just think about those 16 hours and what am I going to do in those 16 hours that tomorrow morning it was a great yesterday." So anyway, I just want to share that.

Yeah.

And I notice that, um, it's-- Dan has shifted into a greater calmness and more present and more fun.

So...

And that's from-

And that matters, that Babs-

And that matters.

[both laughing] I think he gets points for making me laugh.

Babs.

Well, I built the team around Dan from the beginning.

That was, like, 36 years ago, and some of those people are still there, are still with us.

Shannon Waller and, you know, and they're just people that, um, we had met, we knew.

We, you know, it grew, and, um, Julie Cosgrave is still here after 30-something years, I think.

But, um, um, where was I going with that? I don't interview people.

Well, I see people, like, if they're coming in for certain positions, I'll see them after other people have b- basically, you know, sorted it out and show they've get- they think they're that really aligned and they're really good for us.

And even then I don't-