Mm-hmm.

And w-we'll talk about education and business burnout, and I think that's different for every different person.

It's not often a big bang.

It can just be a little bit of a trickle, where you start to reflect on, "I'm missing out on X, Y, and Z." And my daughter was quite young, and I just felt I wasn't as present as I could've been there.

And I started to reflect on that and thought, "Okay, what else is there that I could go out and do?" So handed my notice in, didn't have any intention of what I was gonna do next.

Was gonna do a spot of supply.

And I remember I went for a little meal with the family, and we were all going through a bit of a tough time d- for different reasons, relationship issues.

Yeah.

Do you have anything that actually reminds you, any triggers or anything that sort of says, OK, I actually need to be more positive right now?

I've got to remind myself that I'm 20 years into this now and you develop this toolkit that just becomes so automatic and it doesn't take 20 years to refine that.

You just continually doing it.

I think is it Malcolm Gladwell? He says that 10,000 hours to master something.

And I think people forget about the 9,999 to get there.

You're not the same person when you start out.

And I would say when it comes to the positive sides, I think it's more of an awareness, right? When you first start and you're in the heat of the moment, whether it's a challenge with behavior, whether it's you've done a back and forth with some children in terms of the questions and they haven't really got to where you're trying to get to and you're trying to feed it.

How can we as teachers talk more openly about our mistakes and the uncertainty without feeling like, you know, I think you almost alluded to it, without feeling like professionally diminished or exposed in some way?