promote that use

and operate and get hunters out for subsistence harvests on big horn sheep in our seeded lands, which is 10 million acres of Oregon.

So ongoing, I worked as a technician all the way up until 2004.

And at that time, you know, we were still doing all of the inventories, you know, of the population.

And then periodically when I come home on leave, because I was in the military and I joined in 2004, periodically I'd come home and I'd link up with my old boss or old buddies.

And we'd actually, I'd just go out just to, you know, I had a 96-hour leave.

I'd go out and go hang out with them.

How much cultural pushback did you get, Austin, when tribal leadership said, look, we're going to have to do some predator management, some predator control from a From a community standpoint, cultural standpoint, how much pushback did you get?

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.Um, I guess backing up.

So the, there was a falsified treaty signed in 1865, post 1855 treaty.

They offered money to about 20 different families if they signed this treaty saying they would r- sign away our rights to go off the reservation to hunt and fish.

That was, was considered the 1865 treaty or the false- falsified treaty.

Well, the state recognized that.

The tribes didn't recognize that.

Yep.