And so with the knowledge that you have gained from the people you've spoken to, how do you make that able to be interpreted by somebody who is not a scientist?

That's a good question.

I have worked on multiple projects with an electronic music composer called Laurie Spiegel, and she's probably well known in your circles, I imagine, for having composed Kepler's Harmony of the Universe, which is a sonification of planetary data that was sent on the Golden Record and is still out there.

And so through the work I've done with her, it's been really fascinating.

And then thinking about data sonifications to the present, I think you were referring to Wanda Merced-Diaz.

Yes.

And to me, that idea of listening to the stars is just full of poetry.

So let's move on to siren sounds.