At Factory Records, despite Tony Wilson's open-minded approach to equality, women such as Gillian Gilbert of New Order could be present in the material evidence, but were often missing from the story built around the legend.

I noticed there were women's names on some of those materials, but the women weren't named in any of the accounts I'd read.

And I know women's voices and women's stories get marginalized in histories for different kinds of reasons, but I don't think it's so easy to just say, oh, it's sexism.

It is sexism, but it's also the way that sexism and misogyny have resulted in just... social ideas about whose stories are important, who the storytellers are, who gets written about, whose voices should be the ones to speak on the record.

And if it seems like there's something missing, and maybe that is something that you can start to excavate and bring back to the surface in some way.

But the point is not that recognition arrived through Nirvana, the point is that the influence was already there.

Part of my interest in how their music does act as that kind of ammunition.

I'm interested in the feminist aspect, but I also became really interested in how their music had import into certain really significant political moments.