And like, from your perspective, what does a really great recruiter bring to the table that technology can't?

For one, they bring more than their plate.

So the other thing that I would say is you're exactly right.

So what used to be, you know, smile and dial is now I need to understand how to be data literate.

I need to know the difference between data integrity and data hygiene, and I need to be able to speak to it.

I need to be able to understand marketing, branding.

I need to be able to understand what is top of funnel, why does that impact mid funnel, and why does my data show that? I need to be able to do all of these different things.

Where do you think the responsibility lies for improving hiring and teaching people how to hire? Is that something that lives with recruiters, hiring managers, both of them? Like, where does that live for you?

And then we kind of wrap up mid-afternoon as we put everything back away for another year.

Yeah, so that's the full schedule.

Additionally to this week, weekend, we're kicking off kind of like a pre-kickoff.

We do it with our committee.

We go to Waskana Park Run and the wonderful people at Waskana Park Run host our committee, but Additionally, we're doing Pacers in the Park.

So it's an opportunity for individuals in a very low-key way to meet their Pacers.

So maybe individuals have a goal of a four-hour marathon or a two-hour and 30-half marathon.

handing out little snacks for people so the whole community engages as these runners are out there it kind of becomes something special that people take to year after year you'll often find the community members in the same spot year after year after year it's kind of their spot and for us a lot of it gets known as this person's there and then when they're not there it's where are they what happened what what did they miss this weekend so there's lots of

Yeah, exactly

... having to go to all these pretty cool places and not do things beyond that.

Another really great thing, and Sophie and I have done a lot of work travel together because we work on some of the same things, um, partners specifically, and you really get embedded into the culture when you're going to see someone that works in a different country.

Like Norway's a great example.

Um, I knew nothing about Norway, and I feel like I've really, truly started to understand like how Norwegians think about certain things, their culture, their differences between, you know, other even Nordic countries.

Yeah.

There is an inherent bias that we all carry for whether it's internal misogyny, like racism, whatever.

Bias, we have stereotypes that we hold, we might not even realize it.