Some landowners say

that sounds like a cool project, but I'd rather not be part of it.

But thanks for asking.

And so we just route around them and we do that across the span of the project.

What that means, though, is when a landowner says, yeah, go ahead, take a look on back.

It's not just my colleagues going out into the field, but it's all of the folks that could have a impact with the land.

So it could be your environmental scientists, your tribal cultural specialists, your tribal historic preservation officers, the biologists, the aviologists, the paleontologists, the archaeologists, I call them theologists.

What does it mean to have accredited capacity value? And why do resources like these HVDC grid-to-grid projects that we're talking about, why should they have it?