How, how do you handle their emotions?

We are very much like that.

My husband is exceptional with them, and he is a man that's totally, like, into talking about his feelings and his emotions, but also doing it in a very matter-of-fact way.

Like, "This is how I'm feeling.

This is what I'm going through, and I need a minute," or, "We're gonna talk about this." And he does that really well with the boys.

Mm-hmm.

And I think that that's, like, the biggest thing in our house right now, is just making sure that everything's led with kindness.

And being in a world that we're in today, I think that, like, raising kind men-

Why, why do you think it's still so rare for, for women to feel naturally unapologetic?

Well, I think it depends on what room we're in, right? And what's interesting is, having been a model, I could easily be unapologetic.

And there was, you know, there's, there was always a conversation around my weight and my size, and I just very much so ignored it, but I embraced it, and I really embraced it for the people who, um, were, you know, who didn't have anybody to look up to, because I didn't have anybody to look up to that it felt like as much.

But I think now being in the kind of like CEO role and building businesses and being creative director and having much more that I have to control and be the boss of, that's when I think there's like this kind of like hesitation that women have of being unapologetic and being themselves and, and, you know, living in their truth and feeling almost bad for it, or having imposter syndrome.

And I felt it.

You know, I, I never went to college, let alone a business class in my life.

And so I've had some moments where I've had to really like, you know, say, "Okay, who cares if I don't know what the hell I'm talking about?" I'm learning as I'm going, and I'm trying to be very unapologetic about it as well.

Like, has it changed for the positives? Or when we think about the influence of GLP-1s, like Ozempic, has it changed for the negative? In your opinion, as someone that's been at the forefront of body image.

How did the idea come about? Where was the seed planted or the aha moment?

My business partner Danny, who started Lucci with me, we actually have been business partners before.

We do double dates, and he's also got a couple of kids.

We have very similar energy, and we were at dinner at Bestia in downtown Los Angeles.

And, you know, we were doing a sharing shoot of the bone marrow and eating the pasta, drinking the wine.

And we always went there, and we would always get the Lambrusco because to us, they had some of the best Lambrusco in LA, at least selection.

And we were drinking it, and we thought, "Why don't we just make this?" Well, he said that to me, and I said, "We can't just make Lambrusco.

What makes this different? Why did you want to do this, and how were you not deterred by a year and a half of no?

notice? Do you think about that? So

we are working on manners.

Yes.

And, like, opening the door for mom or grandma or, like, you know, making sure people that are older than you are going ahead or whatever.

Ladies first.

But then my biggest goal is one that I did was I said thank you to my mother-in-law.

It was, like, totally, like, out of nowhere, and I was just like— thank you for making an amazing man that is my husband.

do you love

okay okay so now to what you consume okay what's first so

i just cut out coffee recently i was like a coffee fanatic okay and i was getting a little bit of phlegm in my throat and i was like let me give this green tea thing a try so this tea i found it's a japanese green tea okay it's clean it's lovely it gets the job done giving me a little bit of energy and then what i do is i have my collagen Now, there's a lot of gummy collagens out there.

There's a lot of pill collagens.

This is the kind of collagen that I have felt gives me more bang for my buck.

What is it doing for you? It's helping my hair, my skin, my nails.

It's plumping up my skin.

You know, as we get older, we lose collagen.

Do you taste it, Ashley? We made

I mean,

whether it's six months or a year, like, in front of the world? Well, okay, this is what I think.

I think, yes, that's a nice sentiment that he said.

Yes.

They're not even married.

This is like red flags.

You know, having, I mean, we're all married ladies.

I mean, as somebody that's been close to the show,

Tell us about it.

Okay, so I'm really excited because we dropped a movie trailer that has to do with main character energy.

67% of American women are plus size and they are totally underserved.

We built a line specifically for size 14 to 30 girls who have main character energy.

to give them main character energy.

And that's exactly what we did with JCPenney.

And I'm so honored to be a part of this ride with them.

But now we're seeing all these curvy girls.

How does it feel now all these years later to be known for that and the conversation that came from it?

Well, it, it's a lot of responsibility for sure, and I'm proud to be a part of this community and to be spearheading so many different amazing opportunities as well.

It's just still so sad that there's A, not a lot of plus-sized models, B, w- plus-sized, curvy, voluptuous, wha- whatever that word is for people, 'cause everybody likes to be labeled something different.

Um, and also, the fact that brands, uh, you know, uh, in some cases were using a lot of curvy models and now aren't.

Same with runways, same with advertising, media, whatever.

So it's a interesting place to be having seen, like, so much work be done and then so much of it still kind of, like, not sticking for whatever reason.

Um, but I, I don't take my job lightly.

Tell me everything.