
Ash Perrin
Founder and CEO of The Flying Seagull Project, a UK charity bringing play, circus and laughter to children affected by conflict, displacement and crisis worldwide; TEDx speaker and author of 'The Real Play Revolution'.
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Sep 16, 2026
Ep. 122: What can change the world and make it better? Play, creativity, and self-belief with guest Ash Perrin (From the vault)
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50:29John RiceHOST
And I wonder whether or how you saw that happening already, how you see that creativity starting to transform things in a big way, or where do you see the big potential for that kind of creative thought changing things in a really transformative way?

Ash PerrinGUEST
I mean, a lot of the book when I was writing the book, actually, I kind of almost got to the point that I thought this is a joke.

Ash PerrinGUEST
I could write it in one sentence, which is, you know, and it was like I'm doing this huge explanation, making such a lot of complexity out of something which is really simple, which is that every idea is essentially an act of play of the mind.

Ash PerrinGUEST
And everything that's ever been invented from a hot air balloon to a laptop to laser eye surgery, all of that really is an act of practical, creative imagination coupled with self-belief, probably a load of money in convincing other people, too, and then making it happen.

Ash PerrinGUEST
So, yeah, in terms of changing the world, I mean, obviously, we have to look at doing things differently.

Ash PerrinGUEST
And I think this is where creativity plays even more part in terms of breaking what's considered to be like convention or norm.
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Simon BanksHOST
How might you bring in some more play and imagination just on that personal level?