But are we putting too much hope and reliance on technology and maybe not enough on the human skills that actually drive this breakthrough thinking?

Uh, yes, Zee, I think that's exactly, that's exactly it, and that's the tension, and, um, tension always makes people better, makes people smarter, makes people find ways to, to work around.

Innovation has almost become, however, shorthand [laughs] for more technology and, uh, and, you know, people are defaulting to more technology.

We want more AI, we want more AI in all the asks and all requests.

But in reality, breakthrough thinking is, uh, it- it's still very much dependent on human capabilities, uh, our judgment, our curiosity, our empathy, focus, and also the ability to do-- to work with complexity.

And, uh, over-relying on anything, uh, people or technology, uh, can create really difficult situations.

Uh, people are-- people have their limitations to just in the way that the technology also does.

So let's talk a little bit about what governance steps or habits or internal initiatives probably need to be in place in order to make real responsible use of AI happen.