yeah you're like oh and maybe it was always going to end up here right um what you but think about that right like so you've ended up in what i would maybe consider these you know backbone organizations right the the giving giving wise alliance wise giving alliance now afp what attracted you to those roles like how did you first kind of get it to this part of the sector

boy you know it's so fascinating because i look at my life now and now i can look back and say So many experiences leading up to this now make sense as to why I'm there.

So I started out, Craig, in public accounting.

When I graduated college, I got a job working in an accounting firm.

And one of the requirements was that you give pro bono services.

And so I started volunteering with an organization in town.

and did some voluntary work as an accountant.

Like when you think, you know, what's changed over the last, say, decade from being a nonprofit CEO?

So looking back at the past 12 months, what do you feel like has shifted most dramatically for you personally or for the sector as a whole when it comes to talking about and using AI and fundraising?

For me personally, I would say the shift from using it as a way of helping you understand and communicate things to actually building applications with agents that actually do stuff for you, making it less burdensome for you to do routine tasks.

As Tatum just pointed out, it's easy now for any individual.

I won't say easy.

Nothing's easy.

Let me put it to you that way.

But it's accessible for a person who knows nothing about coding to have a conversation with Claude or Chad GPT, essentially saying, you know, I have these KPIs in her case, and I'd like to figure out how my daily activities are aligning with those KPIs and have the AIs essentially go into your emails if you choose, other communications that you have, and read through them and basically decide whether or not you are doing work in alignment with those KPIs.

So how should nonprofit leaders, you think, be thinking about the next frontier?