So would you be able to explain the basics of what listeners need to know about Romani history in the Middle East, and particularly what the two terms that you use throughout the book, Roma and Dome, mean and how they differ from each other?

Right.

So first and foremost, I want to make it absolutely clear that I consider my research to be primarily on contemporary Palestine, and I'm looking at Palestine and especially Palestinian kinship.

And I guess we can talk about what that means a bit later through this case study of the I also want to be clear that I'm an anthropologist and not a historian.

And very often people want me to give a kind of a historical overview of domes and other Romani peoples in the region.

And I'm unfortunately unable to do that.

But to answer your question, First of all, we know from the great research by Christina Richardson, who was on your podcast a few years ago, that Romanies have existed in the Arab region since at least the 8th century.

So to kind of sum up and rephrase, I'm wondering, to what extent is it still true among the Roma today that property ownership isn't really present? And to what extent has this historical lack of property ownership affected how the Roma live and survive under conditions of sort of Israeli occupation in Palestine and its effects on the wider region?

So would you be able to explain the basics of what listeners need to know about Romani history in the Middle East, and particularly what the two terms that you use throughout the book, Roma and Dome, mean and how they differ from each other?

Right.

So first and foremost, I want to make it absolutely clear that I consider my research to be primarily on contemporary Palestine, and I'm looking at Palestine and especially Palestinian kinship.

And I guess we can talk about what that means a bit later through this case study of the Dome Romani people.

I also want to be clear that I'm an anthropologist and not a historian.

And very often, people want me to give a kind of a historical overview of domes and other Romani peoples in the region.

And I'm unfortunately unable to do that.

So to kind of sum up and rephrase, I'm wondering, to what extent is it still true among the Roma today that property ownership isn't really present? And to what extent has this historical lack of property ownership affected how the Roma live and survive under conditions of sort of Israeli occupation in Palestine and its effects on the wider region?

So would you be able to explain the basics of what listeners need to know about Romani history in the Middle East, and particularly what the two terms that you use throughout the book, Roma and Dome, mean and how they differ from each other?

Right.

So first and foremost, I want to make it absolutely clear that I consider my research to be primarily on contemporary Palestine, and I'm looking at Palestine and especially Palestinian kinship.

And I guess we can talk about what that means a bit later through this case study of the Dome Romani people.

I also want to be clear that I'm an anthropologist and not a historian.

And very often people want me to give a kind of a historical overview of domes and other Romani peoples in the region.

And I'm unfortunately unable to do that.

So to kind of sum up and rephrase, I'm wondering, to what extent is it still true among the Roma today that property ownership isn't really present? And to what extent has this historical lack of property ownership affected how the Roma live and survive under conditions of sort of Israeli occupation in Palestine and its effects on the wider region?

And why do you think their presence as being so systematically overlooked, even by Palestinians themselves?

Sure.

So I'm not a specialist of Romani studies, although of course I engage with it, and I have some very good friends and colleagues who are Romani studies scholars.

But generally, I can say that the field of Romani studies has been outrageously Eurocentric.

Almost everything we do about Romani people comes into question if we take into consideration the history of Romanis in the Arab world.

For instance, the historian Christina Richardson has done very important work in recent years in showing how Romani characters appear in Arabic literature from the 8th century onward, and become quite recurring by the 10th century.

They're particularly prominent in Mamluk Cairo, This should be a bombshell in how the world understands the history of Romani people.

So I was reading your chapter and I had this image and I was really trying to make sense of all of that.

Before we get into your argument, could you give us a brief portrait of the Dom Romani, who they are, how long they have been in Palestine, and where they live today? And why do you think their presence as being so systematically overlooked, even by Palestinian themselves?

Sure.

So I'm not a specialist of Romani studies, although, of course, I engage with it, and I have some very good friends and colleagues who are Romani studies scholars.

But generally, I can say that the s- the, the, the field of Romani studies has been outrageously Eurocentric.

Almost everything we know about Romani people comes into question if we take into consideration the history of Romanis in the Arab world.

For instance, the historian Christina Richardson has done very important work in recent years in showing how Romani characters appear in Arabic literature from the eighth century onward and become quite recurring by the 10th century.

They're particularly prominent in Mamluk Cairo.

So I, I was reading your chapter, and I had this image, and I was really trying to make sense of all of that.

Before we get into your argument, could you give us a brief portrait of the Dom Romani? Who they are, how long they've been in Palestine, and where they live today? And why do you think their presence as being so systematically overlooked, even by Palestinian themselves?

Sure.

So I'm not a specialist of Romani studies, although, of course, I engage with it, and I have some very good friends and colleagues who are Romani studies scholars.

But generally, I can say that the s- the, the, the field of Romani studies has been outrageously Eurocentric.

Almost everything we know about Romani people comes into question if we take into consideration the history of Romanis in the Arab world.

For instance, the historian Christina Richardson has done very important work in recent years in showing how Romani characters appear in Arabic literature from the eighth century onward and become quite recurring by the tenth century.

They're particularly prominent in Mamluk Cairo.

So I, I was reading your chapter, and I had this image, and I was really trying to make sense of all of that.

Before we get into your argument, could you give us a brief portrait of a Dom Romani, who they are, how long they have been in Palestine, and where they live today? And why do you think their presence as being so systematically overlooked, even by Palestinian themselves?

Sure.

So I'm not a specialist of Romani studies, although of course I engage with it, and I have some very good friends and colleagues who are Romani studies scholars.

But generally, I can say that the s- the, the, the field of Romani studies has been outrageously Eurocentric.

Almost everything we know about Romani people comes into question if we take into consideration the history of Romanis in the Arab world.

For instance, the historian Christina Richardson has done very important work in recent years in showing how Romani characters appear in Arabic literature from the eighth century onward and become quite recurring by the 10th century.

They're particularly prominent in Mamluk Cairo.

So I was reading your chapter and I had this image and I was really trying to make sense of all of that.