What did you see as a GP that showed you something was missing in how we're raising our young people?

Thank you, Sam.

And it's lovely to be back on your podcast again and to remember the times you've been here and when we first met, which I'll talk about in a moment.

But I'm on land of the Iruquo people of the Bundjalung Nation.

And also there were, I believe, initiation grounds right near here that we can see from the land up in the cliffs.

So yes, it's a perfect time and place to have a conversation.

And we met, you and I met at Bercolo Bookshop when I was launching my book, The Making of Men.

Well beyond,

So how do rites of passage help with that? Why are they significant to that process?

Sure.

A rite of passage is a transformational event.

And the way I look at it, there's a huge difference between a child and an adult.

And we want children to have the mindset of a child.

And for a child, they are the center of the universe.

It is all about them.

our models is open source we want everyone to have

成年仪式是一种蜕变，会改变你，而当你经历了这个过程之后，就再也回不回去以前的那个自己。这位是鲁宾斯坦博士 Rubinstein，他是成年礼研究所 Rite of Passage Institute 的行政总裁同创办人。这个机构透过不同的计划，协助年轻人顺利完成迈向成人的这个转变。鲁宾斯坦博士曾经担任急症室医生多年，期间接触到不少澳洲的青少年，因为参与自己版本的成年仪式而被送进去急症室。

Unfortunately，in Australia，we have what I would say are a lot of unhealthy markers。

成年礼就是带领年轻人经历一个过程，令他们离开舒适圈，等他们自己安排时间去探索身份，在世界担任的角色，还有自己希望成为什么样的人。这个是关乎到集体主义、社群连结，还有归属感。对于金斯曼同鲁宾斯坦博士来讲，成年礼是一种有系统的方法，等社群可以引导年轻人走过成长过程当中的不确定性和转变。

Traditional and religious and indigenous communities。