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Ariel Sobelman

May 6, 2026

24:46
Is this sort of Israel-America Pax Americana also kind of decides on that as well?
24:51
So fundamentally, regarding China, I mean, I, I spent years writing about this and, and studying this topic.
24:57
A, I think in the last 15, 20 years, there were always voices claiming, "Oh, that was the American century, now it's the Chinese century." I don't see it that way, right? [laughs] I believe that Israeli innovation fundamentally flows west.
25:12
There was a brief period for a few years that there was a lot of Chinese investment, and I think it peaked in 2018 and steadily decreased since then.
25:20
I think after October 7th, I think there was a very rude awakening in Israel to what China's stance is on Israel.
25:27
I think we all learned who our friends are in the world and who doesn't support us.
25:31
So if I take this back to artificial intelligence and technology, you had started talking about DeepSeek.
28:19
Okay, Ariel, so then just to bring it back here to Israel, what do you think Israel should do or continue doing or start doing so that it can achieve and maintain what you, I think, have coined in a lot of your publications, this digital sovereignty?

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