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May 6, 2026
Israel's place in the AI race - with Ariel Sobelman
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Yonatan AdiriHOST
Is this sort of Israel-America Pax Americana also kind of decides on that as well?
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24:51Ariel SobelmanGUEST
So fundamentally, regarding China, I mean, I, I spent years writing about this and, and studying this topic.
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24:57Ariel SobelmanGUEST
A, I think in the last 15, 20 years, there were always voices claiming, "Oh, that was the American century, now it's the Chinese century." I don't see it that way, right? [laughs] I believe that Israeli innovation fundamentally flows west.
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25:12Ariel SobelmanGUEST
There was a brief period for a few years that there was a lot of Chinese investment, and I think it peaked in 2018 and steadily decreased since then.
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25:20Ariel SobelmanGUEST
I think after October 7th, I think there was a very rude awakening in Israel to what China's stance is on Israel.
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25:27Ariel SobelmanGUEST
I think we all learned who our friends are in the world and who doesn't support us.
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25:31Ariel SobelmanGUEST
So if I take this back to artificial intelligence and technology, you had started talking about DeepSeek.
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28:19Okay, Ariel, so then just to bring it back here to Israel, what do you think Israel should do or continue doing or start doing so that it can achieve and maintain what you, I think, have coined in a lot of your publications, this digital sovereignty?