My dad was a parole officer, so he dealt with a lot of people coming back with vengeful things and you know back do you think about back in the day like we didn't know where we were growing up and running around the neighborhood Ari you could be anywhere and so that's why yours is truly the most I think it's one of the most terrifying movies of all

Of all horror history.

It does remind us how tough those 80s moms were.

70s and 80s moms.

Wow.

They were the toughest women on the block.

That's for sure.

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He was always upset that Jason became the, uh, monster because he was intended to be the victim.

Well, both of them said that, in fact.

It was Tom Savini and Sean Cunningham and Victor and Betsy Palmer, who, you know, when they went on to part two and they continued the storyline, they were not having it.

Yes.

Here's the thing.

Sometimes when they make films, especially independent horror films, the outcome of the scene isn't really known until it's shot.

And there could be a certain argument to say that I may have forced the hand of the whole thing to become more frightening than they ever [laughs] wanted it to be.

Is it safe to say there is no any other Friday the 13th without that scene? What I mean is that was the moment that kind of opened up the idea that this could become something else.

Why did you stop chasing Hollywood and, and pursue music, J- uh, Ari?

Well, yeah.

Well, thank you for, for asking me that, Richard.

Yeah, I was already a, um, budding jazz piano player when I was on the set of Friday the 13th.

You see, uh, living in Westport, Connecticut, I had met, uh, some teachers who had led me in that direction.

I was even drafted up to Bridgeport University to work in Bill Finnegan's orchestra, who was like the, uh, arranger for Stan Getz, uh, back in the day.

And so I was already a little jazz piano kid, and, um, I, um, kind of, you know, was trying to decide what I wanted to do.

... what made you finally decide you were gonna take this character that's followed you since you were 14 and you were gonna turn that mythology into music?

With what you said...

We can look at some great traditions that are like owner's manuals for the soul, okay? Like if you look right here, I have the trident of Lord Shiva.

I have Lord Shiva in the Nataraja, and this is the goddess Bhagavad Gita.

So the tradition, the Hindu tradition says that what we're suffering from is called self non-recognition.

The instant that we recognize that we are light love consciousness, then we begin the path towards wisdom, okay? And the karma even begins to melt away, your negative karma and your positive karma, because you realize your consciousness, my consciousness, my dog's consciousness, my plant, the sun, the mountain, it's all the same exact consciousness in different time and space times.

forms you were born in a certain time and space and consciousness is is unraveling from that point as is for me okay and that's what makes everything different so when I say to you that all of the demonic entities Have a reason, my brother, okay? Now listen, listen, okay? So we can get to the part about the story that I'm involved in a little later, but I'll give you two examples, two great examples, okay, from the Hindu tradition.

The Hindu tradition has the best demons, man, the best.

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And, uh, I've always wondered whether Jason, and I'm sure many people have said this to you, uh, or wondered about this, that is Jason really the villain of the story? Or is he just, is he ultimately a tragic, uh, figure?

Well, that's, that's what's so amazing about it, Richard, is that, uh, I think the greatest monsters, like, okay, so in order to elicit an emotional response from the audience, and, and this is necessary, okay? 'Cause that's what we are.

We're actors, we're writers, we're dealing with the imagination, and we need to get that emotional response.

So even just the necessity of horror and monsters on the most basic level, like let's say you're a, a, you could be a priest or, or a teacher, or a storyteller, and you're talking to a group of people, you know, who you've spoken to year after year, day, are the same people, same gen- Okay.

So the, you need to get their attention, man.

You know? So if you're gonna talk about monsters, you're gonna talk about, I don't know, people turning into a pillar of salt and fire coming from the sky, you're gonna talk about dragons, you're gonna talk about beings that come up and eat children, right? Okay.

This is a necessity to get people's emotions, to scare them.

If I went to a First Jason show, what, what could I expect?