Before we get into AI and changing ways of working, can you talk a little about your own career path and how it has shaped your view of what modern in-house leadership requires?

Sure.

So the short version is I started my legal career at Clayton Utz in Melbourne, where I did my articles.

After that, I went through to various in-house roles.

So I worked at Deutsche Bank, ANZ, IAG, AIA, and I even did three years in Singapore, where I worked in an offshore oil and gas service company.

Along the way, I also picked up some non-legal roles to see what it was like on the other side.

But for me, the lure of the law was too strong, and I've returned back to being a lawyer.

Touching on your, your really broad experience across your career, where you've worked in different jurisdictions, organizations, and had different responsibilities, how has a nonlinear career path strengthened your leadership and judgment?