Mm.

You started at 20 and stopped 30 times along the way.

That's why you don't look like I do.

That's the only difference.

I've just never stopped.

I've incrementally just kept going and learning and refining, and this works, and I don't really love that so I'm not gonna do that anymore.

And you just kinda just get more and more granular as you go.

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God.

You really want to see the 3,500 calories that I can put back on your fucking 1,600 calorie metabolism that's at a slow crawl because you spent your whole life under-muscled and over-fat? You don't need to see that.

That doesn't help you.

Maybe I'll give you some meal ideas and I can give you some calorie and macronutrient targets, but I'm never going to go to the lengths of making money off of giving people options for supplements that they, I just don't think that they need.

I mean, I'm affiliated to Legion and I barely ever push fucking, the only people that ever see my Legion code are my paying clients who need a protein powder and a fish oil supplement.

And that's the only thing I tell them to get.

I'm like, if you're eating a balanced diet full of micronutrient rich foods in relative consistent abundance, You're probably fine and you probably won't have all of these debilitating shit symptoms that other people are dealing with, especially if you're managing your sleep and you're managing your stress.

Like, what does that person look like? So maybe there's someone listening that we can like stop them in their tracks.

mean now, but like whole foods.

Yeah, single ingredient, whole foods.

The stuff that you know you have to go out of your way to prepare that's tedious.

If it comes out of a box or a bag, it doesn't make it a bad food to eat.

It just means that you now have to be a little bit more careful about the portion control of it.

And you have to know what's in it.

So again, what Andrew was saying.

So obviously you're taking mindset into account, but how does that come into your program?

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Like, we didn't have TikTok or Instagram to go and, like, get fitness advice from.

So we had, like, the dudes at the gym who were 55 years old coming off the construction site that were teaching us how to train, and they were like, "Well, eat this and eat that," and we believed them 'cause they were twice our size and stronger, so we just listened to them.

And it worked.

Like, fast-forward now, all the bro science is now being corroborated by evidence-based actual research.

So it's not like they were wrong, they were just ahead.

And then I got a f- I got laid off in 2010, 2012-ish, and I'd already started taking, like, private clients just leisurely, just, "Yeah, I'll train you.

Yeah.

I

had posted a clip the other day.

I started watching a show called Big Mistakes on Netflix.

It's the guy, David Levy from Schitt's Creek, the son who's hysterical, and he wrote this show.

There's a clip in there.

where his mother is basically bitching out his sister about like being offended about something.

And she says something along the lines of like, how is, how does anybody in your generation who's offended by everything get offended by anything? And in our generation, we had no time to be offended by anything because we were too fucking busy taking care of our lives.

I'm like, how great of a workout can I do when my HRV is 23?

Yeah, I completely get it.

I love exposure therapy.

The more you can step on that scale and the less you can really pay attention to the number on the box on the floor.

Or why don't you slide that thing five inches to the left and tell me if it reads the same number.

Did you just gain a pound of fat because it moved this seven inches to the left and now you're a pound heavier? When you start to realize how silly you're being, towards the data, like, okay, yeah, you ate 5,000 calories.

It was 3,000 over your budget.

You're 500 away from it becoming a pound of fat.

So of course, psychology kicks in and like, it doesn't hurt bad enough.