I'll say what you were saying.

Yeah, I mean, I just think that unlike other characters, Jocelyn has just suffered too much trauma that something had to give.

Like, people were wondering, like, well, why would Dex? And I think it wasn't Dex.

It wasn't Dex's death alone that brought her to the WSB.

And Carly was the one to realize it, that it was years and years and years of trauma and death and bullets and all this stuff that she grew up with that led her to this point and we put that all together and then you know culminated into the last few weeks and what she was able to accomplish um with help obviously um and what she and you know she you know she she got shot you know it's not like you know you can't say oh she doesn't know what she's getting into now she she was shot and she you know and she she took another life so i i'd say you know for better for worse she's in it she's in it and she's not getting out of it

Yeah.

yeah you know what and you know what the thing that turned me around and all this this would that i thought it was a couple weeks ago that i thought was just beautiful writing was there was a scene between michael and tracy in which tracy told michael if she really is she really doesn't believe that willow is a good person that means she's lying to her husband and in my experience once you start lying in a relationship it becomes too easy to continue and to me it's like both michael and tracy they can see the situation for what it is even take willow out of it for a second take willow and all her manipulations out of it for just a second something is broken in this relationship.

If Chase is constantly making excuses for someone else's behavior at the expense of his wife, and his wife feels the need to lie about her feelings in order to keep the peace.