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I'm gonna do that." Um, and then this energy in particular just really works with dynamics of family.

It works with the dynamics between educators and our children.

And then being able to come in a neutral, um, place and have more conversations.

It can be difficult with parents.

We have so many responsibilities, and timing, and getting everybody where they need to be, and working, and all of the things, right? Um, so this is a, a bit of a slowing down.

Um, you can turn the camera off if you'd like with this group.

But yes, I mean, I think consistently we've seen these groups be in some ways a buffer between actually working with the organizations and learning more about what they do and what they can do with real sustainability.

Leah, if I may make a bit of a crass but honest and heartfelt public service announcement.

Funders lie.

Funders lie.

And they put nonprofits in positions to also not tell their whole truth and their whole story.

And I don't blame like actual individual program officers.

I think maybe sometimes they tell a story or position a nonprofit director or grant writer to do additional work, knowing very well the funding opportunity won't go through.

So just biting off like small, small micro shifts, right? Like small micro shifts are really important to making sure that you can sustain your well-being in the midst of the chaotic nature of working in philanthropy and particularly in 2026.