When you were there at the BRICS summit, do you see, do you feel that power is being taken?

Let's be clear.

We have a huge geopolitical divide, and we have multilateral institutions that are still working based on the composition and the rules of the post-Second World War.

that reflected the power relations of the post-World War.

And so, obviously, when you look at the Security Council of the United Nations or when you look at the Bretton Woods system, it is clear that they don't correspond anymore to the realities of today's world, in which a number of, for instance, emerging economies have today a much bigger weight than they had in the global economy.

Looking at the security council, let's not forget, there is no African permanent member, there is no Latin American permanent member.

There's no India permanent member.

Where's it coming from? Well,

Why did you do that?

In my first, uh, visit to Iran, uh, Iran had, uh, a large number of, uh, Afghan refugees.

And, uh, when Ahmadinejad was elected, there was a certain concern, uh, that, uh, he might expel the Afghan refugees.

And I thought it was my duty to go to Iran to try to avoid it.

So I, I went to Iran, and, um, uh, I, uh, was received the first meeting by the minister of interior, who was a cleric.

And, um, the minister of interior, um, started the meeting, and, uh, during half an hour, he bashed the United States, he bashed the UN, he bashed the international community for not supporting Iran.

And I mean...

... very difficult things that had happened

So I do wanna ask, is it time to push, if you look into the future of global governance, um, for a reformed UN, or is it time to push for a completely overhauled multilateral-

Well, we have been, uh, pushing a lot for fundamental reforms.

And the question is a question of power.

Um, we still have, um, a number of institutions, multilateral institutions, and we still have a- mechanisms, namely the economic governance mechanisms, that corresponds to the situation of the world in 1945.

And, uh, it is obvious that, uh, we absolutely need a deep reform in the UN, especially in the Security Council.

We are doing a lot of reforms in the UN, but are in the operational aspects of the UN.

But the central question is the question of power.

Do you hope to be succeeded by the first woman UN Secretary General?

What is the purpose," he said, "of the United Nations?"

Let's be clear.

Um, uh, there has been a number of peace initiatives from the United States, and we support them, and, uh, we are working closely with the United States in Haiti.

We are working closely with the United States in humanitarian aid in Gaza.

We are, uh, doing, uh, lots of things in which we are actively cooperating.

But it's important to recognize that the UN is extremely engaged in the solution of all these conflicts, but UN has no leverage.

Uh, and indeed, it is true that, uh, uh, big powers have a, a stronger leverage, uh, in relation to others.

when Donald Trump questions the purpose and the usefulness of the United Nations in this day and age, it is an attack on, on your institution and on you.

Do you agree with that report?

report?I think the report is a very serious document that needs to be seen, uh, with particular attention.

It's not in the functions of the secretary general to do the legal determination of genocide.

Uh, that, of course, depends on the, uh, adequate judicial institutions and there are no resolutions at the General Assembly or the Security Council about that.

But, uh, I think the name is not the most important.

The most important is the reality, and the reality is that we are having an horrendous situation in Gaza.

The level of death and destruction in Gaza is nothing compared... has no comparison with anything else that I've seen since I am secretary general.

How do you make this appeal to him? How do you think he's going to stop if he's told, "Oh, you have to give back those territories, including Crimea"?

Is it fair to say that the G7 has no idea what it wants in terms of that?

I think we have a problem.

Uh, uh, there is no longer one West, and there is no longer a Global South.

We have the West fractioned, and we have the Global South fractioned, too.

Um, what we have is a group of developed countries that are not united on all aspects, and a group of emerging economies that also have their contradictions.

Um, uh, and those contradictions help the G7 to maintain the domain in relation to, uh, the global financial architecture.

But sooner or later, uh, we will move from this present chaotic situation to a situation where real-... multi-polarity will emerge.

More capable.