And I asked him what lesson can he share with us?

My biggest lesson is that technology should enable people, not replace the human relationship.

I've spent my career building people businesses and the strongest ones were never built by being soft.

They were built by caring deeply, setting high standards and investing in good people.

Automate what should be automated, but never automate a way that trust, judgment and human connection that keep customers and teams coming back.

And that forms Anton's ask.

I'm Anton van Yerden from DNAEOR.

If you're a South African working remotely for an overseas business as an independent contractor, I'm asking you to check whether that arrangement truly protects you and the company you work for.

Anton, why are we seeing this increased number in the last year, like you've said? What's responsible for that?

Well, I don't know.

We've actually asked people and some of the reasons they have given is the cost of living in South Africa is lower than in Europe and the US.

The living standard is actually higher.

And then also people want to come home for the obvious reasons, you know, family, friends, the weather in South Africa is really good and so forth, but definitely the cost of living.

And then also we believe that living The general political circumstances, especially in Europe, isn't what it used to be.

South Africa is also seen as a relatively safe place, ironically, with regards to at least risks of war or things like that.

Now, talk me through how you place refugees or returnees back on the employment role, especially those who are now seeking re-employment from their foreign employers or even those locally who still want some form of job, but they want it done locally.