Yeah.

Um, people do what you do, not what you say.

That's a fundamental framework that I totally believe in, in leadership, that your, your, your video has to match your audio, right? And there are a lot of people who will say, "We have a culture of wellness in this organization.

We believe that everybody should do blah, blah, blah." You, you, you name every wellness or good intention word there is, but the evidence is what people see with their eyes, and that if your executive leader is saying, "I spent the whole weekend working on this project," they can tell you six times, "Don't work on weekends," but you just told me how you got to the top is working on the weekend.

If you say, "I cut my vacation short to come back to make sure that I was here at this meeting," you can tell people, "We encourage people to take vacations, all of their vacation time, use all their vacation time," but you just told me that what is expected of me is to cut my vacation short and come back for an important meeting.

Now, I will agree with you that those are sometimes individual fallacies or, of how people think about themselves and think about what it means to actually achieve.

And we all are guilty of those moments in time where we know we gotta get to this deadline or we gotta get through this deadline and we'll, you know, we'll go hard in the paint.

So those two things.

So

the first time I ran.

I lost by 298 votes out of 14,000.

Yes, yes.

It was very, very close.

And I ran against an incumbent who was in the other party and he was popular.

And so everybody told me, Anton, you don't have a chance.

Can you share maybe a specific moment during your White House service that fundamentally changed your understanding of leadership?

... kind of person he was?

Yeah, so, um, just to make sure everybody understands that when I said at the beginning I was a fourth-generation military brat, uh, I'm in that fourth generation.

I did not serve in the military.

I put on a football uniform and went to college.

But my brother Sharone joined the United States Navy in January of 2000 and unfortunately was killed in a terrorist attack aboard the USS Cole on October 2000.

It was 25 years ago this past, uh, October.

Um, my brother was second in the birth order.

We are definitely out of time, so how can we add value back to you and-

... that is not a part of your journey right now?

Yeah, so, so I would say this, this has also been, uh, what I call there are grades or gradiations of your uniqueness, if you will.

So, you know, being an athlete and playing sports, you've been on a lot of teams, and we all know sports teams sometimes take on the identity of a coach.

So if your coach is a hard-nosed, knock-him-in-the-mouth kind of guy, then he wants his team to be just like that.

And if your coach is an easygoing, pass first, finesse offense, he wants his team to look like that.

So we all have that pressure to conform to the organization or the entity that we are a part of.

And so sometimes you can't totally go against the grain in that space, but what you can do is really focus in and understand what makes you, you.

W- what does that look like? How do we start to move forward?