You had a bit of...

Yeah, I kind of skipped through the beginning bit, you know, the daggers from you guys looking at me, just condensed version, but clearly there's a bit more to it than that.

I think my life's kind of broken down into three, I'd say three kind of stages.

The first stage I mentioned kind of being born up in Wigan, good stage.

You know, that kind of element for me, you know, North, Wigan, rugby, kind of a big input there.

Had an uncle who used to play quite high level for Wigan Warriors, obviously a professional up there.

Kind of pushed through that route at school, you know, athletics, outside, you know, just getting stuck into that stuff, which I enjoyed, loved.

yeah stunted my growth

no stas went on before me um yeah it was a couple of years afterwards But yes, we've known each other for a long time and I knew my cards were forced so I was leaving and then we started talking about kit really and how we can make it better.

I think at the time we were actually jumping out into America with the squadron out there and you're in the house, it's kind of...

in the arse end of nowhere really blithe, but all there is to do, there's literally one, I think one Starbucks shop in the little kind of village, I don't know what village, town there.

And that was it really, and a couple of hotels, and then an airfield where we would jump from.

I think you've probably been there, haven't you? Yeah.

So we're out there doing some squadron jumping, high LSU stuff, and got quite a bit of time to burn in the background as well.

So a few Starbucks runs in and out.

It's hard because we haven't had the capacity to do what we intended to do when we started, which was to get outside, get these expeditions done, prove the clothing for what it